Harold Camping is one of the most famous Bible teachers in the world. He is President and General Manager of Family Radio which can be heard at http://www.familyradio.com/ and is also the host of the Open Forum radio program. He is also famous because he says, "Thank you for calling and sharing, now may we take our next caller please..." When Harold Camping was a naive young man of 72 (or something like that) he wrote a book called "1994" predicting the end of the world. Well, if you haven't heard, Harold Camping screwed up, because the world did not end in 1994. But that's ok, everyone makes mistakes. (Oh come on, like you have never predicited the end of the world, and got it wrong...don't be so judgmental.) To understand more about who Harold Camping is and what the hell he is all about, please see the following video posted by John and Michelle Dougher at youtube. John and Michelle thought it would be a good "idear" to post this video at youtube, and I would have to say, they were certainly right about that. Here it is:
Dr. James R. White thinks that Harold Camping is a big jerk, because Harold Camping preaches that the "church age" is over, which led Dr. White to author the book Dangerous Airwaves: Harold Camping Refuted and Christ's Church Defended. Dr. James White is a professional pastor, and director of Alpha and Omega ministries which you can learn more about at www.aomin.org/ . He is not famous or anything, but he does look a lot like former Minnesota governor Jesse "the Body" Ventura.
Jesse VenturaRecently, Governor Ventura, err, I mean Dr. James White, and Mr. Harold Camping met in a debate, in which they did battle over Harold Camping's very controversial teachings about the end of the "church age", and the end of the world. (Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Now, Mr. Harold Camping says the world will not end in the year 1994, but in May something, 2011. So be sure not to schedule any family picnics on that day.) This very violent and fiery debate can be heard at the Iron Sharpens Iron blog here:
Harold Camping Debates Dr. James White (Part One)
and here:
Harold Camping Debates Dr. James White (Part Two)
It is a very long debate between Dr. James R. White, and Mr. Harold Camping, so I thought it might be helpful if I tried to summarize it for you guys. So here is a summary...now, keep in mind I have taken some rather gross liberties with what was actually said, in favor of conciseness:
Moderator: Mr. Harold Camping, your opening statement please.
Mr. Harold Camping: BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Moderator: Dr. James R. White, your response.
Dr. James White: Harold Camping, you are a big jerk. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
Moderator: Mr. Camping, your rebuttal.
Mr. Harold Camping: No, I'm not. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
And it went on like this, for about 2 hours. Then towards the final hour of Part 2 of the debate, Dr. James White got very angry because Harold Camping was just ignoring him, and would not admit he was wrong about anything. Dr. White apparently had thought Harold Camping, at some point was going to say, "Geez. You're right. I am a really big, dumb jerk." Unfortunately for Dr. James R. White, this did not happen. Well, I hope Dr. White does not get too depressed about this.
So ended this mighty clash of theological giants, and just another day in the history of the blogosphere had been written. Thank you for reading this, true believers. Once again, God bless you and thank you for your support.
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5 comments:
Hi,
I want to start by saying that this post is very funny. "Your're a jerk, blah, blah, blah." "No I'm not, blah, blah, blah."
I do have to add that Mr. Camping did make some very deep and serious points that require the Holy Spirit to give any listener true understanding.
I agree with Mr. Camping on virtually everything he teaches. I have spent years listening and scrutinizing his teachings and approach to the Bible.
The teachings that I infer that I don't agree with actually means I am not totally 100% convinced of their accuracy at this point in time - though not to say they are incorrect.
For instance, I regularly say that I am presently only 85% convinced that 2011 is the year of the end. Although the more I study it, the more I become convinced that 2011 is, indeed, that very special year.
I must insist, though, at the very least, there is most certainly some extremely strange "harmonizations" going on in reference to these time lines, etc. pointing to 2011.
Furthermore, Mr. Camping did not predict the end of the world in 1994. He essentially suggested that we look at this year and make special note all of the Biblical time lines that appear to point to this year - which, by the way, was the first jubilee year after Israel became a nation again (in fulfillment of Biblical prophecy). He essentially wrote COULD this be the year of Christ's return?
Virtually all of his detractors seem to like to leave out the "?" that was in the book's title. The book's full title was "1994?". They like to say - quite incorrectly, mind you - that Mr. Camping dogmatically insisted that 1994 was the year of the end of the world.
Mr. Camping wrote in that book that he may not have discovered all of the pertinent Biblical information and that other years could and should also be considered. 2011 happened to be one of those years listed in "1994?".
Now Mr. Camping fully and dogmatically insists that 2011 is absolutely, 100% without question the year of Christ's return and the end of the world.
He says that this is so due to the extremely overwhelming amount of Biblical evidence that greatly harmonizes and supports this premise.
In reference to the debate with Mr. White, and especially in reference to Mr. White's accusations, Mr. Camping didn't even begin to have the time to properly address or explain the Biblical basis of the doctrines Mr. White accused Mr. Camping of doing disservice to.
The Bible is a complicated book and is not easy to understand. Three minute allotments of time are hardly enough to go into detail of any Biblical doctrine.
Go to FamilyRadio.com and listen to the audio archives. There are hours of teaching on this site and you can decide whether Mr. Camping is correct by teaching what he teaches or not. Don't be foolish and blindly believe either men simply by their word, or by the fact that there is a "Dr." before their name when they sign a document, etc.
I am pretty well versed in reference to Mr. Camping's teachings of the Bible, and I regret that Mr.Camping didn't perform a virtual slam dunk that I always use pertaining to the fact that God is 100% responsible for every single aspect of salvation. This includes the very misunderstood fact that God choses or elects His people. And they do not - EVER - choose Him! At least to the point of salvation.
And no one is able to refuse His calling once chosen. This is called the Doctrine of Election. This doctrine is without question exactly what God teaches throughout the Bible.
My point being: Virtually all churches that claim the name of Christ will agree with much of what I have written above in reference to salvation, but they always drop the ball and add some type of human work, such as accepting Christ, saying the sinner's prayer, getting baptized in water, etc., as a requirement to being saved.
This is not taught in the Bible. Nor does God love everyone (see Psalm 5 and 11).
Thank you, so much for your comment Mr. Matthew J. Brabow. Actually, I do listen to the Open Forum with Harold Camping. Here is a link to the site you are talking about for those who are interested: http://www.familyradio.com/english/connect/audio_archive/forum/
I am going to do a follow up to this article very soon, and I will address your comment in much more detail. So, stay tuned!
I so look forward to it!
Mr. Grabow, it has arrived Funguzz Vizzion: BLOG TREK 2009: The Sideshow, Harold Camping vs. Dr James Whi
P.S. Sorry I spelled your name wrong in my last comment. Whoops.
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